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Old 07-22-2010, 07:17 AM   #21 (permalink)
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OK, I hope this is "the thread" and not just "the boys' thread"!!

I have no earthly idea of what is going to happen next. Maybe that first grade teacher episode? I should peek at Watashiya's log and see if she has any hints.
Have you checked out her twitter too.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:35 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Now that I got that off my chest (it would be more timely but my computer crapped out on me earlier). Anyway, the point most of us miss seems to be this nonstandard Idea of family that is developing in the overall story.
Well what else could we mention? None of these guys see the entire point of the manga they just want the juicy more intimate stuff like Aoki screwing Rin. At least you're back man, you and Samus are more interesting to talk to
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:27 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Not everyone wants only the juicy stuff, the story progression and development rivals some of the best novels (IMHO, and i read alot, not just saying it cuz'), and that's saying something for a manga.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I just realized, that Aoki had no qualms about meeting "Ai" for a date. If it was only Rin, he would have not made the date. So for now anyways, it is not a romantic love that Aoki feels for Rin, although since he found himself falling for "Ai", he could fall for an older Rin. (By the way, ZURUI! I should be so damn perky!)
This is the main point I was thinking of, Aoki is not going to show any romantic feelings for Rin until she gets older, he's just not a lolicon. So far all of the strange confused feelings and awkward reactions he's had are just part of the fact that he's a virgin and Rin's a child. When it comes down to it he does't love her romantically, if anything it's like a fatherly love. Remembering back in Chapter 56 I think, where they're at Aoki's home he thought something to himself like "At least when she's in front of me, she can still be a child." This seems to show he loves her like a daughter, or at least that he doesn't see her as a woman.

Newnonimous I'm a little hurt by that remark ...I don't usually feel so compelled to discuss the deeper parts of manga, but that doesn't mean I don't see them.
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Old 07-22-2010, 07:17 PM   #25 (permalink)
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This was an interesting chapter. We have Aoki's brief time in the Kokonoe household coming to an end, Shirai's relationship with Oyajima developing at a decent pace, Rin perhaps realizing that the way Aoki treats her may be more akin to fatherly affection, and Kuro discovering that her mother dates. Definitely a good read. I was surprised at how tastefully Watashiya handled the classic "can I wash your back?" scene with Aoki and Rin. Hilarious yet fitting for the story.

Plus, we finally see some real character development for Reiji. Maybe he can finally let go of the ghosts of his past, and actually live on without spiting the memory of his parents.

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Old 07-22-2010, 08:36 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Kita! Kita! It's here!

So do you think she has a master plan for the story, like a timeline that sketches out the basic story all the way out to it's conclusion, or do you think she's more or less making it up as she goes?

The first part was sweet, then that turned icky/funny.

Wow, Oyajima and Shirai are moving forward, yay! (that was really sweet!)

Chibi makes another appearance.

MIMI NO ECCHI!

(Without giving any spoilers...)

Well, from looking at everyone wearing coats, and freezing their butts off, I'd say we're in Winter now, with a few more months to go for the last semester of thier fifth grade year. I'd say this story arc goes for the next three or four months (chapters), then Spring Break and the new school year.

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Old 07-22-2010, 09:22 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Kita! Kita! It's here!

So do you think she has a master plan for the story, like a timeline that sketches out the basic story all the way out to it's conclusion, or do you think she's more or less making it up as she goes?
I think there's at least a general plan. I'm sure some of it is made up on the fly, but many things in the story click so well, that I find it hard to believe she is just pulling it out of her ass as she goes. She might not have the story written out as far as its conclusion, though. That depends on if she has planned it to have a definite end.
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:28 PM   #28 (permalink)
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@Shinobu, I think it's a little bit of a mixture of the two. I posted a while ago about the outside cover to Volume 1 (I think) which had a relationship map that predicted a WHOLE lot about what has happened since, including Oyajima and Shirai. And some of the names show forethought, black and white, Kuro and Shirai. But I also think she is flexible.

I am a little stunned by everything that happened in this chapter. I think Aoki was forced to give Reiji one big last lesson and "graduate" him. I wonder where all that will lead.

@Newnonimous, you are a little harsh with the rest of us sometimes. While I don't mind the fan service aspect, obviously if that were ALL I wanted I could focus on any of 1000 others of Sayo's translations. This one is the one that people really want to think about and discuss and reread, because it honestly is a deep and well thought out work of fiction. And the family relationships and the love and caring of the characters is a fundamental reason why it is so constantly fascinating. We get drawn into caring because the girls care so much about each other, there is a magnetism from the way the characters care about each other.

I thought it was touching the way Shirai found herself miserable after telling off Aoki. When she was doing it, I thought she was making herself feel good, but it was the opposite. And why was Oyajima such a zombie???
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Old 07-22-2010, 09:44 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Yeah i would say the same about Watashiya's structure on the manga every writer always has a purpose to write a well explanatory plot to get us understanding the characters and the development, that's also why we have fillers right? as a means to throw something random out while developing more plot points to the story.

I did find the chapter rather interesting the way Aoki understands Reiji more and tells him that underneath the despair and pain in his heart he still loves his parents and Rin. I figured that Shirai is going to say something to Aoki about his stay at the Kokonoes but didn't expect a harsh one at that due to her times with Kuro-chan. Nevertheless, Shirai regret that conversation as she felt that simular loss in her past.

Last thing, I apologize for my outburst towards you guys i didn't really meant what i said. I got distracted because some asshole pissed me off not too long ago (which i won't get into). I mean i just had a great vacation and somebody just has to ruin it for me. When i get angry enough sometimes i lose all rational thoughts and just lash out at everything. I already know about why we read this manga but as i just said i don't think while i'm upset so i hope you can forgive me on that, especially you(Ugetsu) and SusanoSasori
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:36 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Well, what I like best about this group is that I often learn things. Not just insights into the plot of KnJ -- I had to look up Molossia in the Wikipedia, and I had a great time on Youtube learning about Caramelldansen. There are lots of great moving gifs out there -- I was hoping to find the KnJ girls dancing but no such luck. There is one for Lucky Star but it's really just cut and pasted from cheerleading etc.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miEv85LW2TE"]YouTube- Caramell Dansen Misheard Lyrics[/nomedia]


Actual lyrics in Swedish!

So now where is Nitrogen???

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